Debatesball
I didn't watch the debates last night. I watched baseball, because, well- I KNOW who I'm gonna vote for. Still, I was curious. I flipped back and forth a bit, but I fear I may have missed some of the more interesting moments. Of course, while I was watching the Sox-Yankees game, Fox was johnny on the spot with the score of the National League game, helpfuly updating me everytime someone scored. Why couldn't they do that with the debates?
I woulda loved it if during a slow point in the game, the announcer would have said "Over in the National League Championship series, Jeff Kent hit a two run homer in the fourth to give Houston a 4-2 lead. Meanwhile, in the debate, John Kerry scored style points for his swift debunking of the President's boastful statistic about Pell grants. Don't count the President out however, as God, fear of terrorism, and the love of his family are all up and throwing in his bullpen."
Sadly, that's really not too far off from the truth. To keep the sports analogy rolling, CNN has reported that John Kerry is now 3-0 in the debates. While I agree that Kerry beat Bush in all the debates, I think it's interesting that the media outlets again and again describe them with the language of sports. To sit and hear Shield's and Gigot bloviate on the Macneill News Hour with statements like "Kerry didn't look relaxed tonight" and "how well did Bush come off?" sounds like Joe Buck and Tim McCarver speculating on the status of Curt Shilling's ankle.Additionally, I already know how the candidates "came off." It's a very personal reaction, and is probably different for every viewer. Either way, they are reporting on something that is subjective. What I need these dickheads to do, is not explain how well Bush or Kerry did on their delivery, humor, or overall presentation, what I need is some goddamn factchecking from you guys! To paraphrase Bill Maher, I don't need to know who won, I need to know who was right.
To use the above example that mentioned what I perceived to be a victory by Kerry on the issue of Pell Grants, here was the exchange (the complete transcript can be found at the above link, this has been truncated by me to stick to the issue):
Bush: I've got more to do to continue to raise standards... to continue to expand Pell Grants, to make sure that people have an opportunity to start their career with a college diploma.
Kerry: The fact is that he's cut job training money - $1 billion was cut, they only added a little bit back this year because it's an election year. They've cut the Pell Grants and the Perkins Loans to help kids be able to go to college. They've cut the training money.
Bush: Let me start with the Pell grants. In his last litany of misstatements he said we cut Pell grants. We've increased Pell grants by a million students. That's a fact.
Kerry: But you know why the Pell grants have gone up in their numbers? Because more people qualify for them because they don't have money. But they're not getting the $5,100 the president promised them. They're getting less money. There are more people who qualify. That's not what we want.
OK- here is a real, clear cut example of where journalists can help us out. The fact is, I, along with the majority of people viewing this debate, don't know jack shit about Pell Grants. Here's a start, if you give a wet damn.
First, you have Bush insisting that they expanded Pell grants by over a million students. Kerry responded by seeming to once again handle a prepackaged Bush statistic by showing why, exactly, something that looked good on the outside (Wow! one million more Pell Grants, that's great!) might actually be a distortion of facts as these students are actually getting less money, with more people qualifying.
But which is it? Is it both? Is it in fact worse, or better to have more kids getting less money in these grants? Is that even what Bush did?
I don't know.
That'd be great if someone, oh- I don't know- say, a journalist, could fill us in on that. From a factual perspective, who got it right, and what does that say about how they are going to communicate with the American people in the future?
The things I'm pretty much OK on are how Bush "handled himself" or how "funny" Senator Kerry's stupid fucking Teresa joke was, because that's a personal reaction. While impressions are certainly important, and are a large reason why we have the debates, it is certainly not the media's role to dictate what your impression ought to be. In sports, sure! Let's do it! Tell me what you think Pedro's body language says when hears the "Who's your Daddy" chant! Fill me in on the lingering questions about whether the deaths in Marino Rivera's family might effect his pitching! Speculate your balls off, lads! I'm into it! I'll take all that stuff in my baseball, because frankly, baseball is so fucking slow, I'm glad to have something to fill the gaps.
But in presidential politics, it's a little quicker paced, there is a hell of lot more on the line, and despite the fact that in both situations no matter who wins, the loser will still be a filthy rich millionaire, how about you stop treating this thing like "the playofffs" of politics, and instead give it up with some of the facts?
2 Comments:
Ritch--
I just started reading your blog, and I really like it. (I enjoyed Jes very much when you were there--now it's just awful.) I wanted to send along an AP article that might answer some of your debate questions (I work for them, so I'm probably biased.)
Your fan,
Julie
AP Debate Fact-Check
Misstatements risen to the status of classics in last debate, and some fresh ones too
By CALVIN WOODWARD
Associated Press Writer
¶ WASHINGTON (AP) _ The last presidential debate highlighted words President Bush forgot he had spoken, a meeting John Kerry thought never happened, but did, and a refusal on both sides to back off questionable statements that have practically become classics through repetition.
¶ Kerry claimed once more that Bush has lost 1.6 million jobs, about twice as many as have actually disappeared. The persistent discrepancy comes from his not saying that the losses he speaks of are in the private sector, and are mitigated by job gains in public service. He let go of another regular misstatement, however, this time using an accurate figure on the cost of the Iraq war.
¶ Bush again declared of his opponent, "He voted to increase taxes 98 times," which should not be taken at all to mean Kerry has voted for that many tax increases. Independent analysis has found the list of 98 includes multiple votes for single measures and votes that set targets without having any effect on the tax code.
¶ Beyond those familiar features of the debates, ads and more, the candidates slipped or stretched in fresh ways in their final encounter before the Nov. 2 election.
¶ Kerry accurately quoted Bush as saying he does not think much about Osama bin Laden and is not all that concerned about him. The president protested: "I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those exaggerations."
¶ But in March 2002, Bush indeed said, "I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run." He described the terrorist leader as "marginalized," and said, "I just don't spend that much time on him."
¶ Kerry, trying to show Bush has paid too little heed to civil rights, stated flatly, "This is a president who hasn't met with the black congressional caucus." Actually, Bush met the Congressional Black Caucus at the White House within two weeks of taking office, and called his opponent on it.
¶ Also in the debate:
¶ _ Kerry declared, "I have a plan to cover all Americans" with health insurance, but even his campaign does not contend his blueprint would eliminate the ranks of the uninsured. Independent analysts say full implementation of Kerry's plan would extend coverage to about 25 million of the nearly 45 million uninsured.
¶ He also said Bush has cut Pell grants, but later altered the accusation when the president pointed out accurately that about 1 million more students are getting the aid than when he took office. Kerry then said Bush has not raised the maximum Pell grant as much as promised.
¶ "They're not getting the $5,100 the president promised them," he said. Education Secretary Rod Paige said the month after Bush took office that the maximum grant for first-year students would go up by more than half, to $5,100. But the maximum now is $4,050.
¶ _ Bush talked about how he signed the bill creating the Homeland Security Department, putting that on his list of actions that have made the country safer. But he was a convert to that cause, at first opposing the massive government reorganization.
¶ _ Kerry reverted to what is believed to be the accurate figure for the cost of the Iraq war so far, after he and his running mate John Edwards had been suggesting $200 billion had already been spent. "America now is paying, already $120 billion, up to $200 billion before we're finished and much more, probably," Kerry said, citing solid budget figures and a plausible scenario for the months to come.
¶ _ Kerry sharply criticized Bush on port security inspections of ship cargo, saying "95 percent come in today uninspected. That's not good enough."
¶ Kerry's claim ignores that the manifests of all U.S.-bound cargo are screened before they reach American ports and all high-risk cargo is identified. U.S. officials then physically inspect the high-risk cargo _ which accounts for about 5 percent of the overall total.
¶ On whether the inspections are adequate, a new report by the Homeland Security Department internal investigator that surfaced Wednesday concluded federal inspectors of oceangoing shipping containers still need to improve their detection equipment and search procedures to prevent terrorists from sneaking weapons of mass destruction into the United States.
¶ _ Bush acknowledged his current support for a constitutional amendment mandating marriage as a union between a man and a woman without acknowledging that back in the 2000 Republican primary, he said the issue of banning gay marriage belonged to the states. It's a position Vice President Dick Cheney still holds today.
¶ "So if a state were voting on gay marriage, you would suggest to that state not to approve it?" Bush was asked back in 2000. "The state can do what they want to do," he said then. "Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into."
¶ He said Wednesday, "I proposed a constitutional amendment" on the issue, although technically he came on board the proposal floated in Congress.
¶ ___
¶ Associated Press writer Siobhan McDonough contributed to this report.
Hey Julie- glad you like the blog- I appreciate the nice words about Jest, too- you're right, there are ways the media corrects the candidates, but it's an issue of volume. I mean, honestly, that story reads like a small town police blotter without even the entertainment value of guessing which one of your neighbor's whose initials begin with "J" were arrested for soliticing prostitution.
As always, the truth is out there if you dig for it, but how many americans dig? Or for that matter have time to dig?
Either way, I'll get on posting again- I've been slacking a bit lately.
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